tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7178297325283342557.post1645145566955654075..comments2024-01-10T11:15:44.851-07:00Comments on The Breck Epic MTB Stage Race: - PROPOSED ROUTESBreck Epichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03179656459155819962noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7178297325283342557.post-31930566045888920242008-11-20T22:32:00.000-07:002008-11-20T22:32:00.000-07:00Only 8 more months, huh? Yeah, I guess you're righ...Only 8 more months, huh? Yeah, I guess you're right. Thanks Anon - I was hoping that you'd come back and check things out. The offer for a big foofie coffee still stands. You know how to get in touch.<BR/><BR/>MikeBreck Epichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03179656459155819962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7178297325283342557.post-43753144313702941022008-11-19T19:08:00.000-07:002008-11-19T19:08:00.000-07:00ok ok I know I cried alittle river back there, did...ok ok I know I cried alittle river back there, didn't mean to. I also know you take good care of things. I'm just being a pain in the but because more and more people are using my private trails. The bottom line is many of the routes outlined are pretty brutal and for the average rider to jump on a bike and tear them up isn't going to happen. in the mean time it's only eight more months until good riding in summit starts again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7178297325283342557.post-64485043782018540702008-11-02T08:59:00.000-07:002008-11-02T08:59:00.000-07:00Hey Anon - I agree with you that the F50 has had a...Hey Anon - I agree with you that the F50 has had an impact on trails like Moonstone and Barney Ford. Jeff from Maverick would also agree with me there. It's not a stretch to say that the same race actually improved some of the trails out there as well by applying a bit of rider pressure to them (the old Nightmare on Baldy, Rich Gulch, Little French.) I also know that Jeff has devoted a significant portion of his time and resources to giving back to the community in the form of actual trail work and with his MTB Little League program. If you aren't familiar with the gist of that program, it's an environmental education program for juniors that's run through the Summit Mountain Challenge. The kids race of course, but every Friday throughout the summer a there's a morning ride and an afternoon ride where the curriculum is the education of a new group of trail users in the proper way to adopt a stewardship role in our backcountry. There are few promoters who've gone to such lengths to attempt to altruistically justify their commercial backcountry permit.<BR/><BR/>If you take the time, you can scroll down on this page and familiarize yourself with some of the goals of this race, namely the support of BOSAC, Summit County Open Space and the Dillon Ranger District of the USFS with hard dollars. This money is to be specifically used for trail improvements, maintenance and upgrades.<BR/><BR/>A couple of other things - <BR/>1. I respect your viewpoint, I really do, but if it's not us then it'll be someone else promoting races here, most likely someone from outside of our community. At least with us you get a promoter with a conscience.<BR/>2. Black Gulch isn't a system trail, therefore it'll never be allowed to be used by a backcountry permit holder. Technically, a large part of it is private property, therefore none of us are actually allowed to ride or hike it whether for private or commercial use.<BR/>3. It's probably safe to assume that the folks who're geared up for the circumnavigation of Guyot and its 4-hour time commitment enjoy an enlightened view of backcountry ethics. That's not really a route for tourists. The folks that ride it pretty much know what they're doing.<BR/>4. "Destroy them?" I think that's s stretch, especially with the field limit that we're imposing and the fact that it's an ultra-endurance race. There aren't going to be people dicing for position like it was a short track. This format is about as low-impact as it gets.<BR/>5. One of the great attributes of the Summit and Park County networks is their mineral content - the trails really are pretty bulletproof. I realize that that sounds a little self-serving, but it also happens to be true. Trails who's beds are made of stone and rock can sustain quite a bit, and that description is pretty accurate for most of the Epic course and Summit County in general.<BR/><BR/>A big part of this event is the national and international showcasing of the relationship between the three open space entities mentioned above. I think that there's value in shedding a little light on what incredible things can be done when the proper resources are allocated and likeminded folks collaborate. The other thing that I'd mention is that we're well above 10,000 feet for most of the route. It's not exactly low hanging fruit for "every sucker out there". Those folks will overwhelmingly stick to the Peaks, Burro, Flume and easier sections of the CT.<BR/><BR/>Feel free to give me a shout - I'd be happy to buy both you and me a big cup of coffee so we can sit down and discuss your issues. <BR/><BR/>Thanks for taking the time to comment,<BR/>Mike<BR/>mikemac@breckepic.comBreck Epichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03179656459155819962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7178297325283342557.post-54688899360620697812008-11-02T08:14:00.000-07:002008-11-02T08:14:00.000-07:00its nice to see so many races here. but the one t...its nice to see so many races here. but the one thing I do see is overuse of trails, damage, widening, etc..... The firecracker course used to be quiet little single track, it's now over used, everyone knows about it, it's in every guide book..... Now you guys are going to destroy the cirq guyot trails, which are little used and rugged. once you publish the route every sucker will be out there getting lost on the magically disappearing unused single track. I'm sure black gulch is next then the rest of the game trails. bummer broAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7178297325283342557.post-54043381068085352592008-10-31T08:26:00.000-06:002008-10-31T08:26:00.000-06:00Those are 5 of the 10 routes that I'm submitting f...Those are 5 of the 10 routes that I'm submitting for permit approval to the USFS, Summit County and Town of Breckenridge Open Space folks. 90% of what you see there is above 10,000 feet...and a lot of it above 12,000 feet. We'll also add the prologue - I just need to see what they'll allow me to use. All in all I think it's pretty representative of what the race will look like regardless of what stages we end up chossing. We'll average about 50 miles per day - some days less, some days more obviously.<BR/><BR/>Your thoughts?<BR/><BR/>MMBreck Epichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03179656459155819962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7178297325283342557.post-29851489801006256522008-10-31T08:08:00.000-06:002008-10-31T08:08:00.000-06:00That's it?That's it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com